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Jan062011

An Honest Question--and an Honest Answer

I’m working on my next Question & Answer post but noticed this comment and felt like I needed to answer it separately—and quickly!

Someone wrote, “My New Year's wish: Please don't abandon those of us who are loyal hobby demonstrators.... it definitely feels that way right now with the heavy duty push to recruit.”

This demonstrator then goes on to explain that, because she doesn’t have any support from her upline or any opportunity to join a stronger upline, she doesn’t really feel comfortable recruiting anyone. She also noted that she feels like a “hanger on” and that she wonders if a lot of hobbyist demonstrators are having to leave in this economy because of the quarterly minimum requirement.

She says, “I hope that just this once someone asks, ‘What could we do to support you more effectively?’ without saying, ‘You need to perk up and work harder at building your business.’"

Several things came to mind as I read this comment. . . .

First, I’d like to say that I appreciate this demonstrator’s honesty.

Second, I have to admit that my heart broke when I read her words. Through the years we’ve said over and over again how much our “hobbyist demonstrators” mean to us—and we absolutely mean it! These demonstrators are crafting enthusiasts who value our product, and love to create. In fact, many of them live to create!

We try to do as much as we can to support these demonstrators—offering a nice variety of the highest quality products available; providing LOTS of fun, inspiring projects; creating a community (Stampin’ Connection) where they can share and be recognized by their peers; profiling artists in our magazine (Stampin’ Success) every month. . . those are the things that come to mind immediately, and I know there are more. In fact, the monthly So Shelli Creative Challenge was a direct result of trying to meet the needs of our demonstrators who live to create!

Third, as a company whose very existence depends on growth, Stampin’ Up! has always had to  focus on recruiting at some level. And in these challenging times, we’ve had to focus our efforts and resources more than ever before on a few key things that will ensure that we survive—and even thrive.

We have focused on recruiting heavily during the past year, but that increased focus doesn’t mean we value our demonstrators who enjoy creating any less than we value our demonstrators who enjoy building a business. It just means we’ve been talking about recruiting more. Our priorities haven’t changed—every single demonstrator is important to us, and we will do all we can (recognizing that our resources are limited) to support and encourage every demonstrator, at whatever level she chooses to be part of our Stampin’ Up! family.

I can understand why this added emphasis on recruiting might make a demonstrator whose main priority is stamping feel less valued. All I can say is, if you’re feeling this way, please don’t! Please know that we care about you. You are part of every conversation we have and every decision we make. We are trying to carefully balance our need to encourage growth and recruiting with our absolute commitment to reach out to EVERY demonstrator in our Stampin’ Up! family and make sure they can continue to love what they do.

Thank you, Dona, for sharing your feelings. I promise you that your role as a “hobbyist” is and always will be valued.

 

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Reader Comments (68)

I too feel the way Dona feels. I once was a business builder but now hang on and try to keep my minimum sales every quarter. I have been a demo for 6 years. I have really become involved with the My Digital Studio and have had great success selling and teaching it but am trying to figure out how I can maintain my business on My digital Studio sales alone is almost impossible. People in my area are not buying stamps. My business has come to a halt. And $300 every quarter from my budget is just not possible. I hope I can "hang on" long enough to figure something out.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterKira
I think it's wonderful that this demo wrote so honestly and it's also wonderful to see such an honest answer. :-)

I'm also a hobby demo. I can't say that I feel *pressured* to recruit (and, after all, Stampin' Up! is a business and needs growth to survive), but I don't feel that my creativity is as valued as I'd like it to be, and I think that's partially because SU! is still a relatively young company in Australia. I'd really love to see the Artisan Award come to Australia, and being featured in a Stampin' Success magazine sounds wonderful! Hopefully we'll get those in the future too. At the moment I don't feel much impetus to attend Convention because there's so much focus on achievement in terms of sales. BUT, I also recognise that SU!'s primary goal is going to be sales and growth - a company doesn't get to this level of success without that focus!
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDanielle Daws
As a hobby demonstrator, I so appreciate Dona's honesty and your response, Shelli! Thank you both!!
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered Commenterbetty lou
I too am a hobby demonstrator. Fortunately with my own orders and those from a close friend and a few family members I have not had any difficulty meeting my quarterly minimum in the three years since I signed on as a demonstrator. I try to coordinate my orders to receive the best possible benefits - I save them up to maximize the hostess benefits. In fact right now I am waiting until after January 25 to put in an order that will slightly exceed the quarterly minimum, give me the opportunity to select all of the new Sale a Bration items, choose a Level II hostess set I want and receive free merchandise.

I so appreciate Dona sharing her comments and the total openness of Shelli's reply. I feel fortunate to be part of the Stampin' Up! family.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMarjorie
I have been a demonstrator for 10 years. I slowly went from business demo to hobby demo. Today I am very happy with where I am at in the SU family. I totally understand the need to have a "baseline" of activity for all demonstrators. I also understand the "reward" system for those who excel. I have never felt unwanted by SU in anyway. I will keep plugging along with my minimums for as long as I can. (which right now appears to be for as long as I want) I just hope minimums don't go up, then I would have to rethink my personal business plan.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered Commentervicki callier
Well said Shelli! I sometimes feel a blend of both roles. The way I look at it is with gratitude. Thank goodness there is that flexibility. I enjoy being creative as well as an entrepreneur but sometimes my priorities will dictate which way I lean. Out of curiosity, what makes a full time hobbyist feel valued?
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJANET WHITE
I appreciate being part of the Stampin Up! family, even as a hobby demo. Thank you Shelli!
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJeannie Barron
Shelli
Most of my downline are hobbyist. We live in a rural area and most of them have the same customers which makes it hard to compete with each other for the sales. My downlines are all loyal fans of Stampin' UP's finer products. I have lost a few and wonder what would happen if we made our minimums lower for the gals that sell less or giving them a longer grace period but how could we do it and still be fair. Some have left to join other companies whose minimums are lower but I know they are not happy with the quality of the stamps or products the other companies sell.

I have managed to stay in SU for almost 5 years and I am more of a hobbyist than business builder myself. I do have classes and although I don't get many sales from those. Most just come to create and are perfectly happy to just use (and sometimes Abuse) my stuff. They enjoy visiting with each other sometimes; more than staying focused on creating. I still do my best to recruit and at times it is difficult but I was never happier than when I hit my goal of the manager level. If you put your mind to something you can do it. I try to instill this in all of my downlines. I Do love the socializing too and being with others that like to create. I love what I do and share what I love. Thanks for balancing all of the details and making our jobs easy. I appreciate all you do for us. Hope to see you at Leadership ( my first one...YEAH)
With much love
Debi Pippin
Florida
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDebi Pippin
I just gave up being a hobby demonstrator in the last quarter (or two?), but only because the minimum became too much to handle on my own and I did not want to build a business. I would not hesitate to join again in the future as a hobby demonstrator. I have always felt included, even though I choose to not build a business. I understand why recruiting needs to be a focus - it is what builds Stampin' Up's business and allows SU to continue providing us with wonderful new products and ideas to keep stamping alive.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterEvelyn Howard
Shelli, I appreciate the thoughtful words. I love the product line and the wonderful people I've met at stamp camps and club meetings. I took the leap last January and signed up as a hobby demonstrator. I am my only customer, and I need to determine whether I want to seek out at least one other customer in order to attain my minimums for this quarter (and beyond). I don't see myself building a business (never say never!), but it would be nice to alleviate the pressure of the full quarterly commitment.

I think that Stampin' Up! is an exceptional company, and I'm grateful to have had the crafting and personal experiences that have come my way since I first learned about the wonderful products.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterLola G.
Is Stampin Up! going to update the Bulk Buying Program with new items or just take it off the web site? I have asked about this on the phone they have said that SU is still looking into it. Why would this be hard to look at - it's time to update the products or decide to delete the Bulk Buying Program all together?
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterShirley Anderson
I am a hobby demonstrator. I have a few close friends that are loyal SU supporters that order enough to help me meet my minimums. Or should I have in the past. Times have been tough for all. I did not meet the minimum for last quarter. I received no emails, no phone calls, from my upline, or anyone encouraging me to try. Because it was Christmas, I let it go by the wayside. Then Jan 1st came, and I got the "you didn't meet minimum - now you have to do an additional $100 this quarter" email. I felt like it wasn't worth my effort, because no one would care if I fell off the map. I would love to stay a hobby demo, but I can't swing it and my loyal customers/friends can't swing the extra indulgence either.

I guess the 10,000 new recruits can fill my measley little gap.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterKristina P
I LOVE SU and do SU for a hobby. Fortunately I've been able to meet our quarterly sales in Australia of$500 ($550! with gst) so far, but can see myself leaving too.....hope not! I feel if SU might do better having us hobbyists stay on with dropping the min requirements - both SU and us can benefit! Why not drop the MIN REQUIREMENTS? Those who'd want to run a business will and SU can keep all the rest of us too.....
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterCathy McLean
I am a Stampin' Up Demonstrator on the verge of leaving. I simply got tired of prepping for workshops to have no one attend. I have a huge craft club (227 gals) I preside over and the gals all say they love the projects, but none of them come to the workshops. I can't continue to afford to maintain a SU website and pay to mail our catalogs if no one is ordering. I do a couple of monthly workshops (one homeschool and one with senior ladies) but rarely get orders just get paid for the work done. I live in a very financially secure area of Texas, but the girls aren't ordering anyway. I don't know that you have any answers for my situation. Your products are cute and work so well together, but the girls like clearance and "steals" from online companies. They order when SU has clearance sales, but rarely regular priced products. I guess this is more informational than anything.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterCerise Welter
I don't know if it's possible, but perhaps dividing demonstrators into clearly defined groups might help. Those who WANT to build business would have to maintain the $300 minimums, but perhaps the hobby demo gals could have a slightly lower base minimum because they are responsible for totals. I think recruiting hobby demonstrators who ONLY want to get the 20% discount and putting them in a completely separate category might work. We might be able to recruit more. Hobby gals would sign a different contract and wouldn't get the special extra percentage of money for downlines. Just an idea.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterCerise Welter
I didnt see anyone comment on the fact that "This demonstrator then goes on to explain that, because she doesn’t have any support from her upline or any opportunity to join a stronger upline she doesn’t really feel comfortable recruiting anyone." I have the same problem with my upline. I dont get support, I don't get any phone calls or ideas or anyone asking for an update on my business. . . I have been floundering in the water for over a year. I just finally realized that I am going to have to do this on my own no matter how badly I mess up to get this going. I believe that the MOST IMPORTANT thing she was trying to say is that she would like a better way to get out from under her upline because her upline is not doing her job and would prefer someone else who will come along side of her and give her support. I understand how she feels as well and do not want to give up my demonstratorship just to get out from under a bad upline. Maybe we should be talking about how to fix this problem instead of encouraging her just to be a hobbyist (unless that is what she wants to do) along with the support from everyone. Can we have a way of getting out from under an upline that doesn't care?
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDar
I started as a discount demo, or hobbyist, 8+ years ago then slowly grew to being a business demo. As a current Advisory Board member I have had the privilege of seeing the inside and hearing how SU talks about its demos (like gold).... they really do NOT differentiate between any of us and every decision they make is all about how we might be affected. I never felt unappreciated when I was a hobbyist.

Some programs and perks are there for those who aim to reach for them. But when I was a hobbyist, I felt as loved as I do today.

I am touched by Shelli's heartfelt response because she really means every word. I beg everyone to please know that she cares about all of you equally just as the other corporate team members do. I am not sure if everyone realizes how very unique SU is in this regard.I have walked within corporate and every person is so friendly and so upbeat. It's not a mask. They really are super nice and kind people who all care very much.And, trust me, I'm a cynical big-city girl who has been blown away by the consistently kind & caring company we're associated with!
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterStella MacKay
I've been following the comments with great interest and I just want to wholeheartedly agree with Dar. It would be brilliant if there was a way to change uplines. I think the incentives offered to recruit are great, but they also encourage you to recruit but not necessarily follow through. I don't mean this as a criticism, just that there's nothing stopping someone from recruiting during SAB, getting the great incentives and then not supporting their downline, for whatever reason.

I'm good friends with my upline, so I don't really feel I'm in a position to complain to her without potentially losing the friendship, but I provide her and her downline of 4 with more support than she does. I'm the one who sends emails with promotion details because I know what it's like to not get them. And her downline contact me when they have questions. I wasn't made fully aware of Stampin' Start either, so I missed out on the benefits.

I've heard lots of people say they've signed under the wrong person. In a previous direct sell company I worked with, anyone could recruit and get the benefits, but the recruit joined that person's team - so if the recruiter wasn't into being an upline, it was okay. The recruit still got the benefits of an upline and a team, while still being able to sign with the person who first interested them in joining.

Just a few thoughts! :-)
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDanielle Daws
The fact of the matter is that we did all sign up to be demonstrators. When we did this, we knew what was required of us to continue. I understand that many people do not have $100 per month to spend on a hobby. However, if you signed a contract to buy (or sell) $100 per month, that's what you need to do.

I do feel badly for individuals who don't receive any upline support. My upline was supportive and nearby for a few years, but then she moved out of state and I have not heard from her since. I kept in touch with the other local demos from our group and I'm fortunate that one of them has a very successful group and includes me in their activities. If you're feeling abandoned, I would suggest reaching out to others for the support and cameraderie you are looking for. It's out there!

Having said that, there has never been more or better info online than there is now. Dig in! And come to Convention. You will meet great people and get more ideas and suggestions than you can even think of using.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterHolly
Holly, whoever you are, thank you!
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterStella MacKay
I was a hobbyist demonstrator and I gave up ... I had little support from the person who recruited me and felt pressured to do more.I'm still using SU for my paper therapy. I do hope to be a demonstrator one day. Thanks Shelli for all your kind words.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterValerie (Canada)
I found the blog entry interesting. I could agree with Dona's comments regarding the hobbyist demo, but then I could agree with Shelli's comments also. We find ourselves in difficult economic times and what was great months or even years ago may not be as great as they were.

We all need to think of ideas on how to better our hobbyist world. When reading through the comments to the blog entry I saw some but few people providing ideas on how to address the hobbyists needs. Lets all keep thinking up ideas, and looking for ways to implement them (either through SU or through the SU network).

That is one of the great things about being part of this company as there is support from SU but there is also outstanding support from the demonstrators around the country/world (upline or not). Think outside the box, and challenge yourself to come up with ideas and get them implemented for the hobbyist or not.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer
I, too have been following these comments with interest and this in particular caught my eye "I think the incentives offered to recruit are great, but they also encourage you to recruit but not necessarily follow through." I recruited 27 people during the Simply Amazing Recruiting Promotion. I did not get anything from SU for recruiting them - in fact, I probably lost out on a couple thousand dollars worth of sales as my spendiest customers bought the kit. Now, IF they place orders, I will get a small commission, IF they promote, I will get incentive points, IF a whole bunch of them promote in the same quarter, I will get a bonus. So, I believe that SU's recruiting program is set up to reward not the recruiting itself but the follow through.
Now,unfortunately that doesn't mean that all uplines are created equally.
During SAB of course there is a small incentive to recruit but the substantial incentives are still set up to reward the follow through.
I think the fact that Shelli felt the need to answer this question right away speaks volumes about how she feels about each and every demonstrator.
January 6, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterTrish
After reading the different posts, I wanted to thank Dona for her post and honesty. I would also like to thank Shelli for her heartfelt reply. Sometimes the biggest thing anyone can do is listen and acknowledge the person. Thank you. Each of us has our own ideas, some a little harsh some a little softer, and some ideas are answers and some are idea starters. Sometimes the Hobbyist can help create sales by what they would like to see SU sell, or by what could be invented that would assist everyone, if they could be heard. Again, thank you Shelli for being you. I read your blog and even though you don't know me, I feel very blessed to be given the opportunity to know you and have you share a small portion of your life.
January 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterCindy, Ohio
I have been a demo for over 10 years, thriving business to barely hanging on. This past year I did not feel any pressure to recruit and I do appreciate the efforts of those demos who did recruit. I also do not feel any less of a part of the company or neglected in any way; I still feel like an "insider"! It was nice getting paid for stamping and building a business but it's also fun just to stamp and scrap because I love it. There is room for everybody at Stampin' Up! and I am grateful.
Mary Beth West
January 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMary Beth West

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